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Post by I Make Plays..... 14 on Dec 3, 2007 13:51:26 GMT -5
My bad.. I forgot that one game at the beginning of the season can sway a 'strong' conference into the 'weak' category. Silly me. It also just happens to be the only game all season where an SEC team matched up against the Pac-10. If you want to talk about strength of conference, there is your only valid comparison. Complain about sample size if you like, but the Pac-10 is unbeaten in interconference games against the SEC this year. Do they play any bowl games?
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Post by Brunxa on Dec 3, 2007 13:52:46 GMT -5
I only read the first half of that post. Why are you bringing up the NFL? You want to make a comparison against 32 proffessional teams vs 119 collegient teams? Go for it.. I wont point out the obvious distortion. The SEC gets AP love because the writers and journalists for vote do their homework. I understand you're on the fence, but it's an easy choice if you look at the stats. I bring up NFL stats because I happened to have them handy at the moment of the post. I know there's a vast difference between the two. The SEC gets AP love because there is an East Coast bias. Unfortunately, the Big Ten is in a downward spiral, the ACC isn't worth much, so that kind of leaves the SEC. Are they strong. Yup. Are they worthy of all the accolades they get, probably not. Are they (up and down) stronger than the Big Ten (my conference of choice). Hands down. Right now, if we could have 100 games straight with those two conferences playing each team on that schedule, I'd give the SEC a significant edge. But the PAC-10 is a very strong conference too. This is the year of a lack of unimpressiveness in the NCAA FB Schedule. Plain and simple. Most of these teams would not stack up to teams from 4-8 years ago. Back when OSU played Miami, or Texas/USC matchups. Those were better seasons for almost all conferences than what we're seeing now. Disparity has begun to spread amongst the college ranks. It's in this disparity that nobody has been able to stand up. However, prior to this disparity, the SEC was quite the powerhouse...so it looks as if they've fallen less than some of the other conferences (like my Big 10). As for the Jack-ass, no worries. I love this kind of debate. It's fun for me.
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Post by captobvious on Dec 3, 2007 13:58:31 GMT -5
It also just happens to be the only game all season where an SEC team matched up against the Pac-10. If you want to talk about strength of conference, there is your only valid comparison. Complain about sample size if you like, but the Pac-10 is unbeaten in interconference games against the SEC this year. Do they play any bowl games? Nope.
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Post by I Make Plays..... 14 on Dec 3, 2007 14:13:25 GMT -5
Do they play any bowl games? Nope. Pac-10 is lucky, then!!! TIM TEBOW FTW!!!!
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Post by arkansasinbreds on Dec 3, 2007 14:15:02 GMT -5
My bad.. I forgot that one game at the beginning of the season can sway a 'strong' conference into the 'weak' category. Silly me. It also just happens to be the only game all season where an SEC team matched up against the Pac-10. If you want to talk about strength of conference, there is your only valid comparison. Complain about sample size if you like, but the Pac-10 is unbeaten in interconference games against the SEC this year. That game was in Cali. Home field advantage seems to mean a lot more in the college ranks. No wonder you threw that out as a defense. If you want to take a longevity approach, the PAC 10 has not had a winning record against the SEC in the past 3 years. Also, the SEC has had 21 National Title winners to the Pac 10's 15. I could go on.. but I hope Sports Illustrated can do the talking for me. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/06/19/schedules.sec/index.html
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Post by captobvious on Dec 3, 2007 14:22:08 GMT -5
It also just happens to be the only game all season where an SEC team matched up against the Pac-10. If you want to talk about strength of conference, there is your only valid comparison. Complain about sample size if you like, but the Pac-10 is unbeaten in interconference games against the SEC this year. That game was in Cali. Home field advantage seems to mean a lot more in the college ranks. No wonder you throughout at that as a defense. If you want to take a longevity approach, the PAC 10 has not had a winning record against the SEC in the past 3 years. Also, the SEC has had 21 National Title winners to the Pac 10's 15. I could go on.. but I hope Sports Illustrated can do the talking for me. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/06/19/schedules.sec/index.htmlSo let me get this straight... the SEC is the toughest conference... because it plays the toughest schedule... because it is the toughest conference? Circular argument. It's that "strength of schedule" nonsense that kept AP and Coach's Poll consensus #1 USC out of the real title game and allowed LSU their paper championship in 2003.
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Post by Maxi on Dec 3, 2007 14:25:41 GMT -5
Boise and Hawaii aren't the best teams because of their strength of schedule. Plain and simple. Their colleges dont want to (or can't) shell out the kind of money to get big name teams on their schedule. With a playoff system, a 12-0 Boise St. could get in (with a soft schedule), while a 6-6 SEC team who knocked off Alabama, Tennessee, and Auburn (for example) could just barely slip in at number 8 or 32. I would take a 6-6 SEC team over Boise St. team 90% of the time depending on the team. A playoff system doesn't do it anymore justice than the BCS system is currently doing. At least NOW, the teams who play tougher oponenets and play in tougher conferences are being rewarded. Just look at how far LSU dropped after losing to unranked Arkansas (SEC) and how far Mizzou dropped to #9 Oklahoma (Big 12). The SEC is 10x stronger and the BCS system reflected that in their standings. Playoff system is far away.. people who are bitching for one now, will be bitching to get rid of it 2 or 3 years after it's implemented. Unless, of course, you want to see a 6-6 Ball State team play a 7-5 Princeton team for the title of best team in college football. I sure don't. I'm so confused...in an 8 or 10 or 16 team playoff system that uses the final BCS rankings to determine the top teams that go in there would NEVER be a 6-6 team even in the picture. I'm not the one who suggested a 64 team playoff bracket (lol), the max I ever suggested was 10, and if you look in the BCS top 10 there aren't even any teams with 3 losses, let alone 6. So, no, you would never see Ball state play Princeton, because they wou'd never be there unless they finish with 10 or more wins. Again the "they beat nobody" argument fails because for Hawaii it's not a choice to play nobody out of conference, it's that nobody has the cahones to travel to Hawaii for a game. CaptO said it perfectly, an East Coast team would have a loooong flight in the 10 hour range, then would be thrown off by the 5 (or 6) hour time difference. Same goes for Hawaii and long travels. All I'm saying is give them the chance to play a decent team and see what they do. For all I know Georgia could blow them out, but we won't know until they play. That's where last year comes in, Boise played nobody on the path to being undefeated...that is, until they snuck by a top 10 opponent in probably one of the greatest college football games I've ever seen. You think people question them now?
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Post by Brunxa on Dec 3, 2007 14:34:28 GMT -5
Again the "they beat nobody" argument fails because for Hawaii it's not a choice to play nobody out of conference, it's that nobody has the cahones to travel to Hawaii for a game. CaptO said it perfectly, an East Coast team would have a loooong flight in the 10 hour range, then would be thrown off by the 5 (or 6) hour time difference. Same goes for Hawaii and long travels. All I'm saying is give them the chance to play a decent team and see what they do. For all I know Georgia could blow them out, but we won't know until they play. That's where last year comes in, Boise played nobody on the path to being undefeated...that is, until they snuck by a top 10 opponent in probably one of the greatest college football games I've ever seen. You think people question them now? Of course people still question Boise State. Last year was a fluke. (Not my opinion, just how I feel it's being perceived.) Boise State also would never have beaten a top 10 ranked SEC team. (That's sarcasm, for those of you who are incapable of comprehending that I use it frequently). I have a problem with Georgia playing Hawaii. If Hawaii wins, people SEC Homers will go back and probably resort to the excuse about how they are choke artists in big games, like the exciting (disastrous if you're an SEC fan) game a few years ago against WVU.
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Post by I Make Plays..... 14 on Dec 3, 2007 14:58:23 GMT -5
Hawaii is sort of a different topic, because they are relatively unkown. However, if Florida loses to Michigan or if more SEC teams lose in bowl games than win I will be very surprised
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Post by Brunxa on Dec 3, 2007 15:06:19 GMT -5
Michigan Sucks. Michigan has a slightly better chance at winning than I do at getting pregnant. They couldn't handle tOSU DEs, what chance do they have against Florida?
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Post by arkansasinbreds on Dec 3, 2007 15:55:31 GMT -5
Hawaii is sort of a different topic, because they are relatively unkown. However, if Florida loses to Michigan or if more SEC teams lose in bowl games than win I will be very surprised Florida can't lose to Michican.. the SEC will disown them and they will be playing the WAC next year.
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Post by I Make Plays..... 14 on Dec 3, 2007 16:02:18 GMT -5
Hawaii is sort of a different topic, because they are relatively unkown. However, if Florida loses to Michigan or if more SEC teams lose in bowl games than win I will be very surprised Florida can't lose to Michican.. the SEC will disown them and they will be playing the WAC next year. If they lose and Tim Tebow doesnt win Heisman I will cut myself
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Post by Frank Gribbon on Dec 3, 2007 16:02:53 GMT -5
go michigan!
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Post by Maxi on Dec 3, 2007 16:08:02 GMT -5
Florida can't lose to Michican.. the SEC will disown them and they will be playing the WAC next year. If they lose and Tim Tebow doesnt win Heisman I will cut myself Kevin Smith for heisman Who??!?!?!... The back who rushed for the second highest total in the FBS of all time this season, who could surpass Barry Sanders' all-time record in the Liberty Bowl by turning out his average performance (188 yards/game). Not to mention 30 TD's scored, all on route to leading Central Florida to a 10-3 record, the Conference Crown, and a chance to knock off a middle of the road SEC team.
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Post by Maxi on Dec 3, 2007 16:08:29 GMT -5
...but somehow most people have never heard of him...
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