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[mattysmith69]

BURN!

[arkansasinbreds]

It should happen.. but it wont.

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arkansasinbreds said:

It should happen.. but it wont.

It wasn't illegal, though, at the time.

But either way, I still am not convinced he did do it. Unlike Barry, Clemens has always been decent sized, he didnt have sudden major growth. We KNOW Bonds took 'Roids, Clemens it's all a theory. I know CaptO is reading the Mithcell report, hopefully when he gets around to the Clemens sections he could post a few exerpts from it. I'd like to see exactly what it says. Who knows, maybe Mitchell just needed a big name to top it off with and make it so people actually cared? I don't know either way, unless public outcry gets so tough he breaks down and confesses I dont tihnk we will ever no 100% if he did....

**I still findit odd that not 1(real) Red Sox player is on that list and he works for them. The best team in baseball, and nobody in the clubhouse that matters/ affects anything is on that list? Did Clemens take them while he was in Boston by himself?

[arkansasinbreds]

theplaymaker14 said:

arkansasinbreds said:

It should happen.. but it wont.

It wasn't illegal, though, at the time.

But either way, I still am not convinced he did do it. Unlike Barry, Clemens has always been decent sized, he didnt have sudden major growth. We KNOW Bonds took 'Roids, Clemens it's all a theory. I know CaptO is reading the Mithcell report, hopefully when he gets around to the Clemens sections he could post a few exerpts from it. I'd like to see exactly what it says. Who knows, maybe Mitchell just needed a big name to top it off with and make it so people actually cared? I don't know either way, unless public outcry gets so tough he breaks down and confesses I dont tihnk we will ever no 100% if he did....

**I still findit odd that not 1(real) Red Sox player is on that list and he works for them. The best team in baseball, and nobody in the clubhouse that matters/ affects anything is on that list? Did Clemens take them while he was in Boston by himself?

The only problem with that is, if he was innocent, why hasn't he come forward to defend himself? The truth should be a pretty easy story to tell. Some players are coming forward with stories about recovering from injury. What's Roger's story? This is why I think he's guilty. He was the first to lawyer-up and hasn't said anything since. Even a California jury can see the guilt.

I had a lot of respect for this man, but it all went out the window once that report was released.

[captobvious]

The Roger Clemens portion of the Mitchell Report is one of the most extensive of all the violations discussions. It comes firsthand from a personal trainer who worked with Clemens in Toronto, then came along with him to New York. His name is Brian McNamee, and he's being indicted for steroid distribution.

Under a plea agreement, anything he says to the feds or to Mitchell which is proven untrue dissolves any lenient sentencing he was given, renews every count against him, and adds another count for purgery. He has an awful lot of reason to be honest. If Clemens can prove he lied, he goes away for a long time. This same trainer worked with Andy Pettitte, and gave information about his HGH use which has been corroborated by Pettitte himself.

McNamee stated he not only procured HGH and steroids for Clemens... he also performed the injections.

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captobvious said:

The Roger Clemens portion of the Mitchell Report is one of the most extensive of all the violations discussions. It comes firsthand from a personal trainer who worked with Clemens in Toronto, then came along with him to New York. His name is Brian McNamee, and he's being indicted for steroid distribution.

Under a plea agreement, anything he says to the feds or to Mitchell which is proven untrue dissolves any lenient sentencing he was given, renews every count against him, and adds another count for purgery. He has an awful lot of reason to be honest. If Clemens can prove he lied, he goes away for a long time. This same trainer worked with Andy Pettitte, and gave information about his HGH use which has been corroborated by Pettitte himself.

McNamee stated he not only procured HGH and steroids for Clemens... he also performed the injections.

Clemens didn't do anything while he was in Boston? At least not that anyone knows?

[arkansasinbreds]

theplaymaker14 said:

captobvious said:

The Roger Clemens portion of the Mitchell Report is one of the most extensive of all the violations discussions. It comes firsthand from a personal trainer who worked with Clemens in Toronto, then came along with him to New York. His name is Brian McNamee, and he's being indicted for steroid distribution.

Under a plea agreement, anything he says to the feds or to Mitchell which is proven untrue dissolves any lenient sentencing he was given, renews every count against him, and adds another count for purgery. He has an awful lot of reason to be honest. If Clemens can prove he lied, he goes away for a long time. This same trainer worked with Andy Pettitte, and gave information about his HGH use which has been corroborated by Pettitte himself.

McNamee stated he not only procured HGH and steroids for Clemens... he also performed the injections.

Clemens didn't do anything while he was in Boston? At least not that anyone knows?

Correct.

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arkansasinbreds said:

theplaymaker14 said:

Clemens didn't do anything while he was in Boston? At least not that anyone knows?

Correct.

Does anyone know who is trainer was while he was in Boston and was he any other Red Sox players trainer?

[captobvious]

theplaymaker14 said:

Clemens didn't do anything while he was in Boston? At least not that anyone knows?

This particular source didn't meet him until after he left Boston. We can only speculate about what came before.

Full text of the Roger Clemens section:

Roger Clemens is a pitcher who, from 1984 to 2007, played for four teams in Major League Baseball, the Boston Red Sox (13 seasons), Toronto Blue Jays (2 seasons), New York Yankees (6 seasons), and Houston Astros (3 seasons). He has won more than 350 games, seven Cy Young Awards, and was the American League Most Valuable Player in 1986. He was named to All-Star teams eleven times.

During the Radomski investigation, federal law enforcement officials identified Brian McNamee as one of Radomski's customers and a possible sub-distributor. McNamee, through his attorney, entered into a written agreement with the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California. The agreement provides that McNamee will cooperate with the U.S. Attorney's Office. No truthful statements can be used against McNamee in any federal prosecution by that Office; if, however, he should be untruthful in any statements made pursuan to that agreement, he may be charged with criminal violations, including making false statements, which is a felony.

As part of his cooperation with the U.S. Attorney's Office, and at its request, McNamee agreed to three interviews by me and my staff, one in person and two by telephone. McNamee's personal lawyer participated in the interviews. Also participating were federal prosecutors and agents from the F.B.I. and the Internal Revenue Service. On each occasion, McNamee was advised that he could face criminal charges if he made any false statements during these interviews, which were deemed by the prosecutors to be subject to his written agreement with the U.S. Attorney's Office.

McNamee attended St. John's University in New York from 1985 to 1989, majoring in athletic administration. At St. John's, he played baseball. From 1990 to May 1993, he was a New York City police officer.

In 1993, McNamee met Tim McCleary, the assistant general manager of the New York Yankees, who also had attended St. John's. McCleary hired McNamee as a bullpen catcher and batting practice pitcher for the New York Yankees. In 1995, McNamee was released from his duties after Joe Torre was named the new Yankees manager. From 1995 to 1998, McNamee trained "Olympic caliber athletes" outside of baseball.

In 1995, McCleary was hired as the assistant general manager for the Toronto Blue Jays. In 1998, that club hired McNamee as its strength and conditioning coach, and he served in that position from 1998 to 2000.

Roger Clemens signed with Toronto in 1997, after spending the first thirteen years of his career with the Red Sox. After McNamee began working for the Blue Jays in 1998, he and Clemens both lived at the Toronto SkyDome (there is a hotel attached to the stadium). McNamee and Clemens became close professionally while in Toronto, but they were not close socially or personally.

Jose Canseco was playing for the Blue Jays in 1998. On or about June 8-10, 1998, the Toronto Blue Jays played an away series with the Florida Marlins. McNamee attended a lunch party that Canseco hosted at his home in Miami. McNamee stated that, during this luncheon, he observed Clemens, Canseco, and another person he did not know meeting inside Canseco's house, although McNamee did not personally attend that meeting. Canseco told members of my investigative staff that he had numerous conversations with Clemens about the benefits of Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol and how to "cycle" and "stack" steroids. Canseco has made similar statements publicly.

Toward the end of the road trip which included the Marlins series, or shortly after the Blue Jays returned home to Toronto, Clemens approached McNamee and, for the first time, brought up the subject of using steroids. Clemens said that he was not able to inject himself, and he asked for McNamee's help.

Later that summer, Clemens asked McNamee to inject him with Winstrol, which Clemens supplied. McNamee knew the substance was Winstrol because the vials Clemens gave him were so labeled. McNamee injected Clemens approximately four times in the buttocks over a several-week period with needles that Clemens provided. Each incident took place in Clemens's apartment at the SkyDome. McNamee never asked Clemens where he obtained the steroids.

During the 1998 season (around the time of the injections), Clemens showed McNamee a white bottle of Anadrol-50. Clemens told McNamee he was not using it but wanted to know more about it. McNamee told Clemens not to use it. McNamee said he took the bottle and gave it to Canseco. McNamee does not know where Clemens obtained the Anadrol-50.

According to McNamee, from the time that McNamee injected Clemens with Winstrol through the end of the 1998 season, Clemens's performance showed remarkable improvement. During this period of improved performance, Clemens told McNamee that th steroids "had a pretty good effect" on him. McNamee said that Clemens also was training hard and dieting better during this time.

In 1999, Clemens was traded to the New York Yankees. McNamee remained under contract with the Blue Jays for the 1999 season. In 2000, the Yankees hired McNamee as the assistant strength and conditioning coach under Jeff Mangold. According to McNamee, Yankees hired him because Clemens persuaded them to do so. In this capacity, McNamee worked with all of the Yankees players. McNamee was paid both by the Yankees and by Clemens personally. Clemens hired McNamee to train him during portions of several week the off-season. McNamee also trained Clemens personally for one to two weeks during spring training and a few times during the season. McNamee served as the Yankees' assistant strength and conditioning coach through the 2001 season.

McNamee first learned about Kirk Radomski through David Segui during the 2000 season. Also that season, McNamee obtained Radomski's telephone number from Jason Grimsley. McNamee wanted to buy a Lexus, and Radomski had a connection with a Lexus dealer. Radomski recalled that Grimsley was a frequent customer for performance enhancing substances, and he produced nine checks written by Grimsley to Radomski during 2001 and 2002 and fourteen checks in total.

According to McNamee, during the middle of the 2000 season Clemens made it clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season, McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin that McNamee had obtained from Radomski.

McNamee stated that during this same time period he also injected Clemens four to six times with human growth hormone he received from Radomski, after explaining to Clemens the potential benefits and risks of use. McNamee believed that it was probably his idea that Clemens try human growth hormone. Radomski instructed McNamee how to inject human growth hormone. On each occasion, McNamee administered the injections at Clemens's apartment in New York City.

McNamee said that he and Clemens did not have any conversations regarding performance enhancing substances from late 2000 until August 2001. McNamee did, however, train Clemens and Andy Pettitte during the off-season at their homes in Houston. Clemens often invited other major league players who lived in the Houston area to train with him.

McNamee's training relationship with Clemens and others has been described publicly. Peter Gammons reported during spring training 2001:

Brandon Smith, an apprentice trainer with the Yankees, describes Roger Clemens' day as follows: "He's one of the first players in every morning, runs, does his program with Andy Pettitte, does the team program workout, goes to the weight room, leaves, plays 18 holes of golf and finally meets (trainer) Brian McNamee at 6 .. . . and a few other players – for another workout. It's incredible how much energy Roger has."

According to McNamee, Clemens advised him in August 2001 that he was again ready to use steroids. Shortly thereafter, McNamee injected Clemens with Sustanon or Deca-Durabolin on four to five occasions at Clemens's apartment. According to McNamee, he again obtained these drugs from Kirk Radomski. McNamee concluded from Clemens's statements and conduct that Clemens did not like using human growth hormone (Clemens told him that he did not like the "bellybutton shot"). To McNamee's knowledge, Clemens did not use human growth hormone in 2001.

McNamee was not retained by the Yankees after the 2001 season. After that season, Clemens never again asked McNamee to inject him with performance enhancing substances, and McNamee had no further discussions with Clemens about such substances. McNamee stated that Clemens did not tell him why he stopped asking him to administer performance enhancing substances, and McNamee has no knowledge about whether Clemens used performance enhancing substances after 2001.

During the years that McNamee stated he facilitated Clemens's use of steroids and human growth hormone, McNamee's discussions with Clemens about use of these drugs were limited. McNamee assumed that Clemens used performance enhancing substances during the second half of the season so that he would not tire, but they did not discuss this directly. It was Clemens who made the decision when he would use anabolic steroids or human growth hormone. McNamee stated that he tried to educate Clemens about these substances; he "gave him as much information as possible."

Clemens continued to train with McNamee after he was dismissed by the Yankees, according to both McNamee and press reports. In October 2006, after the Los Angeles Times reported that the names of Clemens and McNamee were among those that had been redacted from an affidavit in support of a search warrant for the residence of Jason Grimsley as allegedly involved with the illegal use of performance enhancing substances, Clemens was reported to have said: "I'll continue to use Mac [McNamee] to train me. He's one of a kind."

McNamee was quoted in a December 10, 2006 news article on steroids as reportedly having said: "I never, ever gave Clemens or Pettitte steroids. They never asked me for steroids. The only thing they asked me for were vitamins." McNamee told us that he was accurately quoted but that he did not tell the truth to the reporter who interviewed him. He explained that he was trying to protect his reputation.

On May 15, 2007, the New York Daily News reported that Clemens had cut ties to McNamee. McNamee denied that and told us that he trained Clemens after the article was published. He added that Clemens now has a home in the New York area, and McNamee personally installed a gym there.

McNamee stated that he has no ill will toward Clemens and "was always ahead [financially] with Roger." McNamee received money for expenses from Clemens's business representatives. They paid McNamee for training Clemens, and for his expenses. From time to time Clemens also gave McNamee "extra money." Clemens never gave money to McNamee specifically to buy performance enhancing substances.

Kirk Radomski recalled meeting McNamee through David Segui. Radomski confirmed that he supplied McNamee with human growth hormone and anabolic steroids from 2000 to 2004. Although McNamee never told Radomski the performance enhancing substances obtained were for anything other than McNamee's personal use, Radomski concluded that McNamee was distributing the substances to others based on the amounts he purchased and the timing of the purchases.

Radomski knew McNamee was acting as personal trainer for Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, and Chuck Knoblauch (among others), and he suspected McNamee was giving the performance enhancing substances to some of his clients. Occasionally, McNamee acknowledged good performances by Knoblauch or Clemens by "dropping hints," such as "[h]e's on the program now." McNamee never explicitly told Radomski that either Clemens or Pettitte was using steroids or human growth hormone. According to Radomski, however, McNamee asked Radomski what types of substances Radomski was providing to pitchers.

Radomski delivered the substances to McNamee personally. Radomski recalled numerous performance enhancing substance transactions with McNamee. Radomski also sometimes trained some of McNamee's non-professional athlete clients.

Radomski produced four checks from McNamee that were deposited into Radomski's checking account and drawn on McNamee's checking account. All the checks were dated in 2003 and 2004, after McNamee said that he supplied Clemens, Pettitte, and Knoblauch. McNamee said these purchases were for non-baseball clients.

McNamee's name, with an address and telephone number, is listed in the address book seized from Radomski's residence by federal agents. Radomski's telephone records show twelve calls to McNamee's telephone number from May through August 2004. Radomski was unable to obtain telephone records dating back to the time when, according to McNamee, McNamee was injecting Clemens.

Clemens appears to be one of the two people associated with baseball – Andy Pettitte is the other – who have remained loyal to McNamee after he left the Yankees. Clemens has remained a source of income for McNamee up to and including 2007.

Prior to my interviews of McNamee he was interviewed by federal officials on several occasions, during each of which they informed McNamee that he risked criminal prosecution if he was not truthful. I was advised by those officials that on each occasion he told them about the performance enhancing substance use of Clemens, Andy Pettitte, and Chuck Knoblauch (Pettitte and Knoblauch are discussed below).

In order to provide Clemens with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

Footnote about this Radomski character McNamee was getting the drugs from: most of the players named in the Mitchell Report are connected to Radomski in some way or another. That section, with the exception of BALCO, is largely a story of this man and his growing web of personal contacts in MLB. Like McNamee, he has been indicted and is cooperating with authorities. Unlike McNamee, Radomski has corroborated huge portions of his story with phone numbers, shipping receipts, and copies of deposited checks and money orders. He's an extremely reliable witness.